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Otvorte novú tému pri stole gramatické

Archív gramatických tém[upraviť zdroj]

Diskusie pri tomto stole staršie ako 30 dní (dátum poslednej reakcie) sú presúvané do archívu.

Vápenica[upraviť zdroj]

Píše sa vápenica alebo Vápenica? Máme články Veľká Vápenica a Bobrovecká vápenica. 213.151.215.195 17:56, 19. november 2017 (UTC)

Slovo “doporučené”[upraviť zdroj]

Ak si uživateľ otvorí ktorýkoľvek článok a zvolí možnosť “zmeniť jazyk”, wikipedia mu navrhne takzvané “doporučené jazyky”. Slovo “doporučené” je ale v tomto význame podľa JÚĽS nesprávne a malo by byť nahradené slovom “odporučené.

Ak ide o mobilnú verziu, opravil som to. Treba už len počkať, kým sa to prejaví. --TomášP 11:14, 25. november 2017 (UTC)

gramatika[upraviť zdroj]

mohola by sa pridať autom. oprava textu

Need help reviewing Slovak stemming[upraviť zdroj]

Dobrý den—

EN: I'm working on a stemmer for Slovak, which will allow searches to match related forms of a word. For example, searching for any of ostrov, ostrova, ostrove, ostrovy, ostrove, ostrovoch, would return the others. I need someone who speaks Slovak to review the groups of words that the stemmer groups together to make sure they seem reasonable. There are two versions of the stemmer, "light" and "aggressive"; the "aggressive" stemmer groups many more words together, possibly too many. I'm also testing removing naj- from the beginning of words. If you speak Slovak and can review the groupings, please take a look at the lists on Mediawiki.There are about 120 groups, but they should be relatively easy for a fluent speaker to review. (Pomôžte prosím s prekladom do svojho jazyka.)

Ďakujeme TJones (WMF) (diskusia) 00:18, 23. marec 2018 (UTC)

I already put some comments directly into your Mediawiki. Is it OK for you to review the list in this way?Oldknee (diskusia) 12:49, 23. marec 2018 (UTC)
Thanks, Oldknee! You can leave comments there, and we can discuss here, too. I have a question about pod- and ne-: Would you expect to find words with pod- or ne- if you searched for a word without them? In English or French, I wouldn't expect "impossible" if I searched for "possible". As for druho, misspellings happen and they get indexed, too. It's not possible to ignore misspellings, names, and other words that get accidentally grouped with normal words. As long as there is obviously more good than bad, it is worth doing. Language is always complicated! Also, searching for druho, I see "druho- a treťo..." a few times, which seems to be equivalent to "second- and third-...". Should those be "durho-"? Hunting for misspellings can also be a fun hobby. Again, thanks for your help! TJones (WMF) (diskusia) 13:35, 23. marec 2018 (UTC)
I finished with comments in your list now. Aggressive stemming is too aggressive and therefore I did not leaved comments there. You are right with ne- . I worked on Slovak stemmer and therefore I thought that you are just trying to identify stems. I have now only one good example of striping "pod- " with the same/similar meaning: podprsenka and prsia but there may be more of them. You were right: for searching purposes only stripping "naj-" seems to be reasonable.Oldknee (diskusia) 13:55, 23. marec 2018 (UTC)
@TJones (WMF) You are right also with "druho- a treťo..." (second-, third- ). Misspelled is the space behind them. Should be written (normally) together with the rest of the word. I was trying to find the word "druho" on SLovak wiki to correct the spelling. There was in your list only one instance. I did not find it - maybe already corrected. Oldknee (diskusia) 14:01, 23. marec 2018 (UTC)
Now I clicked your search link and see results like: "druho a treťohorných sedimentoch" where "druho" is spelled correctly when used together with "treťo". Shorter version "druho" is used to shorten "druhohorných a treťohorných". Oldknee (diskusia) 14:09, 23. marec 2018 (UTC)
By the way, my list is only a sample of 10,000 articles from Wikipedia, not the whole Wikipedia. I've found that 10,000 is a big enough sample to find any major problems, while being small enough to work with efficiently. That's why I only had one example of "druho" in my sample, while there are more than that when you search the whole WIkipedia. TJones (WMF) (diskusia) 14:17, 23. marec 2018 (UTC)
Thanks so much! I followed up on some of your comments on Mediawiki with more comments. Thanks for all the information! I suspected that the aggressive stemming was too much; thanks for verifying it. It sounds like the light stemmer is worth pursuing, though it has the same kind of problems any stemmer has. Do you want me to test stripping pod-, too, to see what happens? For the light stemmer, we have three options: (1) It is good enough and we should deploy it. (2) Look at more examples like the ones you reviewed and then decide. (3) Create a live demo of a copy of Slovak Wikipedia and test actual searches. For other languages, I've done all three of these options, so whatever you are comfortable with will work for me, but I'm leaning toward #1 for the light stemmer + naj-stripping. (#1 or #3 will take some time to develop and deploy, which will give others a chance to add their opinions, too.) Ďakujem! TJones (WMF) (diskusia) 14:12, 23. marec 2018 (UTC)
You are welcome. You do not have try pod- if you do not want to. Let's wait for others' comments. Starekolena (diskusia) 14:58, 23. marec 2018 (UTC)
I decided to give the pod- stripping a try. It had a bigger effect, including splitting up some words that were grouped together. I think the possibility of false positives is higher, but you can check it out and see what you think. TJones (WMF) (diskusia) 20:42, 23. marec 2018 (UTC)
There is a problem with "pod"- because we have also a prefix "po". It is related to the first part of your file on mediawiki (broken up groups). I let there some comments.Starekolena (diskusia) 20:15, 5. jún 2018 (UTC)

Galaxy Note Fan Editon[upraviť zdroj]

Dobrý den/ahoj, mohl by po mně prosím nějaký Redaktor s rodným slovenským jazykem zkontrolovat a popřípadně opravit pravopis a gramatiku v článku Samsung Galaxy Note Fan Edition? Slovensky rozumím, znám některé slovenské slova, ale někde si nejsem jistý.

Předem děkuji za zkontrolování a opravu Patriccck (diskusia) 14:01, 17. apríl 2018 (UTC)


(Úprava dotazu --Patriccck (diskusia) 14:36, 17. apríl 2018 (UTC))

Stemming is available on all Slovak-language wikis[upraviť zdroj]

Dobrý den! As previously discussed here, stemming for Slovak—which allows searching for one form of a word to find related forms—has been coming for a while. There was some delay because of architectural changes, but the stemmer has been deployed to all Slovak-language wikis. Thanks to Oldknee for helping test the stemmer! Ďakujeme TJones (WMF) (diskusia) 18:20, 5. jún 2018 (UTC)

Rap/rep[upraviť zdroj]

Podľa [1] KSSJ uvádza „rap [rep] -u m. (angl.) hud. recitovanie v rytme hudby prechádzajúce do spevu“, predpokladám teda, že článok Rep (hudba) by mal byť na tvare „Rap (hudba)“ a rovnako tvary ako „repový“ by mali byť uvádzané ako „rapový“. --Teslaton (diskusia) 07:45, 29. jún 2018 (UTC)

Rovnako to vidím na presun. Rep je podľa ²rep. In: ŠALING, Samo; IVANOVÁ-ŠALINGOVÁ, Mária; MANÍKOVÁ, Zuzana. Veľký slovník cudzích slov. 5. revid. a dopl. vyd. Bratislava – Prešov : Samo, 2008. 1184 s. ISBN 978-80-89123-07-0. S. 947. , takže aj ten tvar je zdrojovaný. Vasiľ (diskusia) 16:04, 5. júl 2018 (UTC)

Sakralizácia (sociálne vedy)[upraviť zdroj]

Zdravím. Vie sa niekto, komu je to tematicky ako-tak blízke, pozrieť na čl. Sakralizácia (sociálne vedy), či je to aspoň rámcovo v poriadku? Nepríde mi to moc zrozumiteľné, chýbajú tam slovenské zdroje, dokladajúce použité výrazy (vrátane samotného názvu), je to od redaktora, ktorý tu prispieva krátko a bolo tam množstvo hrúbok. --Teslaton (diskusia) 19:09, 6. júl 2018 (UTC)