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Triedenie vlakových staníc

Ahojte! @Akul59, Lalina, Teslaton: Bolo by fajn prediskutovať kategorizáciu železničných staníc. Doteraz sme ich mali zakategorizované len na slovenskej úrovni Kategória:Železničné stanice na Slovensku. IMHO zatiaľ stačí, kategória nie je ešte neprehľadná, ale už sa dostávame do bodu kedy by jemnejšie kategorizovanie mohlo dávať zmysel. Okresná kategorizácia môže byť príliš jemná, ale majú ju urobenú na cs.wiki pre české stanice. Pre naše majú krajské, rovnako aj pl.wiki a en.wiki. Druhá otázka je či by nebolo vhodnejšie a správnejšie do kategórií zahrnúť aj zastávky, napr. Kategória:Železničné stanice a zastávky v okrese Brezno. V tomto prípade by článok mohol existovať v oboch: Kategória:Železničné stanice a zastávky v okrese Brezno a zároveň Kategória:Železničné stanice na Slovensku, resp. Kategória:Železničné stanice v Banskobystrickom kraji. Zaujímavé by mohlo byť kategorizovať stanice (a zastávky) podľa tratí. Tam by som, ale navrhoval skôr názov typu Kategória:Železničná trať Prievidza – Horná Štubňa, aby sme do kategórie mohli dať aj iné záležitosti týkajúce sa onej trati: mosty, tunely, atď.--Jetam2 (diskusia) 06:38, 6. september 2020 (UTC)

Ešte doplním, že na Commons je krajské radenie, s tým, že niektoré okresy majú tiež svoju kategóriu.--Jetam2 (diskusia) 06:54, 6. september 2020 (UTC)

Ako zaujímavosť uvádzam, že železnice majú svoje delenie na | oblastné riaditeľstvá: Trnava, Žilina, Zvolen, Košice. Predpokladám, že už existujú zoznamy, kde je presne spísané, aké stanice a objekty kam patria, čo môže byť výhoda. Napríklad pod Trnavu patrí týchto 18 ŽST https://www.zsr.sk/files/o-nas/oblastne-riaditelstva/trnava/organizacne-clenenie/organizacna-struktura-or-trnava.pdf Tu je zoznam staníc aj zastávok https://www.zsr.sk/pre-cestujucich/zoznam-stanic-zastavok/ Daevid (diskusia) 15:03, 6. september 2020 (UTC)

Ešte niekto? --Jetam2 (diskusia) 15:51, 10. september 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-37

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Changes later this week

• Normally pages can be moved to a title that has no existing page yet or to a page that has only one revision, which is a redirect to the page to be moved. A new user right allows editors to move pages over one-revision pages that redirect to anywhere. [1]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 8 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 9 September. It will be on all wikis from 10 September (calendar).
• All MediaWiki API modules will now use watchlist instead of watch. This was inconsistent before. [2]

Future changes

• The Wikipedia Android app team might work on patrolling tools in the future. You can let them know what tools would be useful for you or for less experienced patrollers. See the page on mediawiki.org.
• OTRS will be updated to a new version. This will probably take around two days. OTRS agents will not have access to the system during these days. Emails that come in during the update will be delivered when the update is done. The plan is to start around 08:00 UTC on 14 September. This could change. [3]
• The Wikipedia Android app will send push notifications if users want them. This could help you see for example when someone wrote on your talk page or your edit was reverted. This will need Google Play Services to work. It will also be possible to get the app without Google Play Services but push notifications will not work. Google Play Services is also used to make the app work for Android 4.4 users. [4][5]
• Wikimedia code review could move to GitLab. It would be hosted on Wikimedia servers. You can take part in the consultation.
• Dropdown menus in the Vector skin use a .menu class. This will not work in the future. Scripts can use nav ul instead. .vectorTabs and .vectorMenu will also not work. Some scripts need to be updated. You can read more in Phabricator.

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15:59, 7. september 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-38

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems

• The Wikipedia apps briefly showed pages without CSS last week. This meant they looked wrong. It was quickly fixed but cached pages without CSS were shown for a few hours. [6][7]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 15 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 16 September. It will be on all wikis from 17 September (calendar).

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16:19, 14. september 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-39

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• There is a new tag for reverted edits. For example you can see it in the recent changes feed or in the article history. It is added to edits when they have been undone, rollbacked or manually reverted to an older version of the page. [8][9]

Changes later this week

• The number of times you can do something in a period of time on wiki is limited. This could be the number of edits per minute or the number of users you email in a day. Some users are not affected by all limits because of their user rights. They could soon see the limit even if it does not affect them. [10]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 22 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 23 September. It will be on all wikis from 24 September (calendar).

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21:27, 21. september 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-40

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• Admins can now see links to diffs of deleted revisions on Special:AbuseLog. This uses the interface of Special:Undelete. [11]
• Editors are automatically added to some user groups. For example editors are added to autoconfirmed users when they have edited enough times and long enough. Abuse filters can hinder users from automatically getting user rights for a period of time. They can also remove rights user have. Wikis can now ask to change how long this period of time is for their wiki in Phabricator. It is currently five days. [12]

Problems

• Last year some abuse filters stopped working because of a new change. If they tried to use variables that were unavailable for that action they would fail. This has now been fixed. [13]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 29 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 30 September. It will be on all wikis from 1 October (calendar).

Future changes

• You can't see the language links to other language versions from the talk page or history page. They are also not shown when you edit an article. This could change. It is not decided if for example the history page should link to another history page or to the article. You can take part in the discussion in Phabricator.
• The link colours could change. This is to make the difference between links and other text more clear. You can read more in Phabricator.
• In your preferences you can choose to get different notifications on the web or by email. You will see Apps as one of the alternatives later this week. This is because the Android and iOS Wikipedia apps will use push notifications for those who want them. You can see the preferences on the test wiki. The goal is to have push notifications on Android in October and on iOS in early 2021. [14]
• You can soon put pages on your watchlist for a limited time. This could be useful if you want to watch something for a shorter time but don't want it on your watchlist forever. It now works on mediawiki.org and will come to more wikis later. You can read more and see when it will come to other wikis.
• You can see what Wikimedians think are the best new technical tools this year. You can also nominate them.

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21:24, 28. september 2020 (UTC)

Použitie iba jedného pomenovania používateľov

Zdravím (po dlhšej dobe, ale to nevadí),

Určite vieme, že dnes existujú 2 názvy prispievateľov - Redaktor a Užívateľ. Aj keď sa zdá, Redaktor používa iba Wikipédia, nie je to tak. Redaktor je totiž na TranslateWiki označený ako Redaktor, tj. každý Wiki projekt mimo Wikipédie bude používať prefix Redaktor. Na druhú stranu, https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/diffusion/MW/browse/master/languages/messages/MessagesSk.php používa Užívateľ. Takže, teraz nastáva otázka. Aký názov uprednostiť? Mali by sa všetci volať Užívatelia/Používatelia? Alebo Redaktori?

Dobre. Koniec vysvetlenia, teraz asi by bolo dobré hlasovať. Ide o dosť veľkú zmenu, preto by som dal tomu čas aj mesiac. Možnosti:

1. Používať na každej Wiki Redaktor
2. Používať na každej Wiki Užívateľ alebo Používateľ (to by sa určite diskutovalo)
3. Nemeniť to vôbec

--aRychlik (d - p) 12:11, 4. október 2020 (UTC)

Ja som osobne Za 1. možnosť. Už viac meniť to netreba --aRychlik (d - p) 12:11, 4. október 2020 (UTC)

Reťazec [15] je k rozšíreniu Flagged Revisions a je z roku 2007, nebral by som to ako niečo smerodajné. Tradične sa pokiaľ viem pre prispievajúceho v základe MW používa neutrálny tvar „user“ (ktorého spisovný sk ekvivalent je „používateľ“), pretože sw. nemusí byť nutne nasádzaný len na projektoch, kde je tvorba a redigovanie obsahu primárna aktivita. Tzn. osobne by som do toho nekafral a substitúciu tvaru „redaktor“ ponechal na miestnych lokalizačných reťazcoch tu na Wikipédii [16]. --Teslaton (diskusia) 20:25, 4. október 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-41

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• There is a new tool where you can see which home wiki users have in discussions on Meta. This can help show which communities are not part of the discussion on wikis where we make decisions that affect many other wikis.
• You can now thank users for file uploads or for changing the language of a page. [17]

Problems

• There were many errors with the new MediaWiki version last week. The new version was rolled back. Updates that should have happened last week are late. [18]
• Everyone was logged out. This was because a user reported being logged in to someone else's account. The problem should be fixed now. [19]
• Many pages have JavaScript errors. You can read more and now see a list of user scripts with errors.

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 6 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 7 October. It will be on all wikis from 8 October (calendar).
• Letters immediately after a link are shown as part of the link. For example the entire word in [[Child]]ren is linked. On Arabic wikis this works at both the start and end of a word. Previously on Arabic wikis numbers and other non-letter Unicode characters were shown as part of the link at the start of a word but not at the end. Now only Latin and Arabic letters will extend links on Arabic wikis. [20]

Future changes

• You will be able to read but not to edit the wikis for up to an hour on 27 October around 14:00 (UTC). It will probably be shorter than an hour. [21]

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16:24, 5. október 2020 (UTC)

Kategória

V článkoch sa začala objavovať kategória : Pages with non-numeric formatnum arguments, nevie niekto, čo to je a ako to opraviť? --2A02:AB04:27BD:D900:955:1473:96B3:880B 12:43, 11. október 2020 (UTC)

Ďalšia z X trackovacích kategórií, ako minimum ich stačí zakladať so š. {{Skrytá kategória}} s vysvetlením a ďalšími náležitosti (kat., iw.). Systematické poslovenčovanie ich názvov mi už príde ako zbytočná robota, bežný čitateľ sa s tým normálne nestretne.

Čo sa týka tejto, indikuje to volania parser funkcie {{formatnum}} s inou než číselnou hodnotou. Ako nečíselná hodnota sa buhužiaľ berie aj číslo v slovenskom zápise s desatinnou čiarkou namiesto bodky, takže napr. bežné volania ako {{kg|49,5}} (priame alebo cez šablónu, ktorá ďalej volá formatnum, vrátane mnohých infoboxov) spôsobujú radenie dotknutých článkov do tejto kat.

A btw. keď už niečo takéto reportuješ, aspoň tú minimálnu námahu by si si mohol dať a nalinkovať tú kat., nech si to nemusí každý čítajúci copy&pastovať a dohľadávať. --Teslaton (diskusia) 18:08, 11. október 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-42

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems

• Because of the problems with the MediaWiki version two weeks ago last week's updates are also late. [22][23][24]

Changes later this week

• Live previews didn't show the templates used in the preview if you just edited a section. This has now been fixed. You can also test CSS and JavaScript pages even if you have the live preview enabled. Previously this didn't work well. [25][26]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 13 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 14 October. It will be on all wikis from 15 October (calendar).

Future changes

• A new stable version of Pywikibot is coming soon. [27]

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15:24, 12. október 2020 (UTC)

Kostol Nanebovzatia Panny Márie (Ľubica)

Ahoj, článek Kostol Nanebovzatia Panny Márie (Ľubica), který vznikl v rámci kurzu Dějiny architektury II - LS 2020 zůstal ve slovenštině na slovenském pískoviši studenta. Přesunul jsem do Hlavného menného priestoru. Následně jsem článek přeložil do češtiny pomocí nástrojů projektu Česko-Slovenské Wikipedie. Mám dva dotazy resp. prosby:

1. Poloha v rámci kraja v infoboxu: zobrazuje se chybová hláška, se kterou si nevím rady. Prosím o případnou opravu, Opravené
2. Původní studentovo pískoviště bych doporučoval smazat, ale nevím, jaké jsou v tomto u vás zvyklosti.

Zdraví --Gampe (diskusia) 12:41, 16. október 2020 (UTC)

Mapu som fixol, zvyšok nechám na adminov. --peko (diskusia) 12:45, 16. október 2020 (UTC)