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Tech News: 2018-50

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 11 December. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 12 December. It will be on all wikis from 13 December (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 12 December at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• New accounts will need passwords that are at least 8 characters long. Admins, interface admins, bureaucrats, oversighters, CentralNotice admins, global renamers, check users, stewards and some other user groups will need passwords that are at least 10 characters long. This is because an attacker could cause damage to the wikis if they took over these accounts. [1][2]
• When you hover over a footnote it will show you the reference as a pop-up. This is so you don't have to jump down to the bottom of the page to see a reference. This will happen in 2019. Some wikis already have gadgets that do this. You will be able to turn it off. [3]

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17:33, 10. december 2018 (UTC)

To je čo zase?

Kto zase čo robil? Pri editácii sú odkazy komplet modré, referencie fialové, nadpisy zväčšené a kurzor mi stále skáče hore. V článku Alejandro González Iñárritu mi blbne infobox bez viditeľného dôvodu. Pomóóóc, pls!!!!--Lalina (diskusia) 23:54, 16. december 2018 (UTC)

@Lalina: Nemáš zapnutý WikiEd v udělátkách? -OJJ^✉ 05:00, 17. december 2018 (UTC)

Myslím, že máš zapnuté zvýraznenie syntaxe (v mojom paneli to je ikonka takej fixky, s ktorou sa to dá vypnúť a zapnúť). --TomášP ✉ 11:48, 17. december 2018 (UTC) P.S. Trochu však nechápem, v čom je problém, podľa mňa je to parádna pomôcka, na prvý pohľad je vidno, čo je nadpis, referencia, odkaz, atď., nie je všetko len čierne more.

@Tomáš Polonec: , : @OJJ: Vďaka, bola to tá tužka. --Lalina (diskusia) 12:20, 17. december 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-51

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Tech News

• Because of the holidays the next issue of Tech News will be sent out on 7 January 2019.

Recent changes

• Some templates that show notices about the content of the page will now be shown on the mobile website. In many cases they were hidden before. [4][5]
• Admins can no longer unblock themselves, except for self-blocks. A blocked admin can block the user who blocked them but no one else. This is so no one can block all admins on a wiki without being stopped. [6]
• The ParserMigration extension has been removed. It compared the result of two versions of the MediaWiki wikitext parsing pipeline. It was used when we moved to the Remex parsing library instead of Tidy.

Problems

• <ref> tags can use parameters such as "name" or "group". For example <ref name="adams" group="books">. If a <ref> tag has more than two parameters all parameters are ignored. You don't get a warning that they don't work. This will soon be fixed. [7]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 18 December. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 19 December. It will be on all wikis from 20 December (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 19 December at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• The Wikimedia Foundation Android app team are working on making it easier to edit on mobile phones. You can read more about these plans. If you have an Android phone and speak at least two languages you can help testing in English. Tell Dchen (WMF) you want to be part of the testing by writing on her talk page or email her.
• tiles.wmflabs.org and wma.wmflabs.org will stop working. They have no maintainers and run an old operating system. Tools which use it could stop working. This includes the mapnik gadget, hill shading, and hike and bike layers. New maintainers could help out and keep it going. [8]

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20:35, 17. december 2018 (UTC)

Farby

Aj vám blbnú farby? Mne zmenilo v DS farbu a pri snahe zmeniť mi opakovane zobrazuje úplne inú farbu oproti zoznamu.--Pe3kZA^✉ 21:00, 19. december 2018 (UTC)

Články bez referencií?

Zdravím Vás.

Referencie sú najdôležitejší základ WikiPédie (Wikipédia:Overiteľnosť, Pomoc:Referencie): ak niekto kritizuje WikiPédiu, takmer vždy je dôvod jej nedôveryhodnosť (čo je dôsledok neexistujúcich referencií). Ak neexistuje text článku, ale existujú referencie, kostra článku sa dá zostaviť. ;-) Ak článok nemá referencie, je bezcenný, pretože WikiPédiu môže editovať každý a hodnovernosť autorov článku nemožno overiť.

Preto sa pýtam: Prosím Vás, existuje niekde nástroj, ktorý zobrazí stránky bez referencií? (Alebo ešte lepšie pomer počet slov ÷ počet referencií?) Našiel som Wikipédia:Dlhé články bez zdroja, lenže tam nie sú stránky, ktoré majú pseudo-referencie: Stačí uviesť zdroj, z ktorého autor čerpal a už sa v tomto zozname neobjaví (čo je takmer bezcenné, lebo musíte prečítať celú knihu, aby ste citáciu našli a to už potom nepotrebujete ani článok na WikiPédii), alebo ešte horšie: stačí, že je to preložený článok (neviem, kto takú strašnú zvrátenosť vymyslel a používa, ale ak by bolo na mne, tak by som to zakázal - preložiť článok, ale odstrániť z neho referencie.)

Ruwolf (diskusia) 11:59, 30. december 2018 (UTC)

Ako zmazať duplikát stránky

Pri upravovani wiki som narazil na dve stranky s podobym obsahom, z ktorych jedna stranka bola spracovana obsiahlejsie ako ta druha. Ide o text o vodnom toku 'Blatina' ktory ma v lokalite od Svateho Jura az po koniec obce Zalesie regulovany tok. Tato regulovana cast sa nazyva Sursky kanal (bol umelo vytvoreny a zregulovany). Preto by som odporucil zmenit aj samotny nazov stranky - ak by sa wiki admini rozhodli ze ponechaju len jednu z tych dvoch stranok, bolo by dobre zmenit vyslednu stranku na Blatina (Šúrsky kanál)

Duplikat by teda bolo vhodne odstranit nech subezne nevznikaju dva texty. Ako na to? Tu su predmetne stranky - obsiahla stranka tu: Blatina_(prítok_Malého_Dunaja) a duplikat tu: Šúrsky_kanál 314 (diskusia) 13:46, 6. január 2019 (UTC)

@314:Ahoj, taký detail - prvý článok je o celom toku, druhý o jeho časti. Je to ako zmazať článok Hričovský kanál, pretože je tu článok Váh. Nie je to celkom identické, no možno by bolo vhodné uviesť tento súvis do úvodu.--Pe3kZA^✉ 15:04, 6. január 2019 (UTC)

Môj úmysel nebol mazať obsah, ale duplicitne vytvorenú stránku, ktorá v podstate žiadne nové info neprináša - a celkom logicky by mohla včleniť do lepšie rozpracovanej stránky, ktorý sa venuje celému toku r. Blatina. Teda v rámci Blatiny vytvoriť jednu kapitolu, kde by boli zahrnuté informácie o Šúrskom kanále. Stránky ktoré odkazujú na kanál by boli smerované na konkrétnu kapitolu danej stránky. 314 (diskusia) 16:13, 7. január 2019 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-02

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Tech News writers, editors and translators wish you a pleasant 2019 year.

Recent changes

• RelatedSites extension has been undeployed. It was used to create interwiki links on Wikivoyage, now handled by Wikidata. [9]
• MediaWiki logstash logging is moving to a new infrastructure. This is an ongoing deployment. [10]
• codesearch.wmflabs.org has been updated, with new and updated repositories and a new search options for code. [11]
• On several wikis, an account named "Filter zneužití" has been created on December 17 to perform some technical maintenance on AbuseFilter. This account has sysop rights but it's a system user and no human can use it. The account already existed on wikis where AbuseFilter can perform blocks, which are issued using this account. See T212268 for more information and future plans.

Problems

• In AbuseFilter, the "Obmedzenie" action takes three parameters: count, period and groups. They must now strictly respect the requirements listed on mediawiki.org. A list of broken filters is on Phabricator. If you're familiar with AbuseFilter, please take a look and fix them. [12]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from January 8. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from January 9. It will be on all wikis from January 10 (calendar).

Meetings

• Search Platform Office Hours is rescheduled to January 9. Check the details for time and date.

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18:30, 7. január 2019 (UTC)

Štatistiky

Rád by som aktualizoval tabuľku o jazykových verziách Wikipédie, no nevidím zmysel v okopírovaní aktuálnych štatistík z en wiki. Radšej by som to urobil tak, ako je to tam – použitím premenných NUMBEROFARTICLES, atď. Takto by aspoň nebola potrebná aktualizácia a údaje by boli vždy aktuálne. Akurát neviem, ako na sk wiki dostanem dáta z ostatných wiki – na en wiki to funguje napr. {{NUMBEROF|ARTICLES|cs}} pre českú wiki. Na našej slovenskej Wikipédii to však takto nefunguje. Vie mi niekto poradiť? Za pomoc vopred ďakujem, --Luky001 (diskusia) 11:06, 11. január 2019 (UTC)

@Luky001: Aby tu fungovalo také volanie, museli by sme sem preniesť š. en:Template:NUMBEROF a následne (strojovo alebo pravidelne manuálne) preberať obsah en:Template:NUMBEROF/data. Robiť sa to dá, neviem ale, či ide z pohľadu skwiki o nejak pálčivú záležitosť.

Ďalšia vec potom je, že aj keď budeš do takýchto tabuliek a zoznamov vyplúvať údaje šablónou, poradie položiek sa automaticky meniť nebude, tzn. po nejakom čase nebude zoradenie korešpondovať s akt. hodnotami. --Teslaton (diskusia) 11:19, 11. január 2019 (UTC)

To viem, ale stále lepšie ako nič. Tiež som rozmýšlal nad použitím týchto údajov napr. do infoboxov pre stránky rôznych jazykových verzií Wikipédie. Ale kľudne to nechajme tak. Myslel som, že tieto veci sú nejako automaticky definované v MediaWiki. --Luky001 (diskusia) 11:28, 11. január 2019 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-03

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• You can now use Google Translate in the content translation tool. [13][14]
• You can now add captions to files on Commons. Captions are short descriptions of the file. They can be translated to all languages we use. They can't use wikitext markup.
• Earlier a quoted HTML attribute had to be followed by a space. Now it doesn't. This means that some pages could look different when you save them even if you didn't edit that part of the text. [15][16]
• Templates with could not show the difference between the live template and the sandbox version when they were tested. This has now been fixed. has a new wrapper parameter now. You can use it for selectors like .mw-parser-output <wrapper parameter value> <selector from CSS page>. [17]

Problems

• When you see an edit in the recent changes feed or in the history of a page some of them have tags. Some tags are added automatically. You can also add tags manually. Tags for edits that have been added manually can be edited. This didn't work for a little while. This has now been fixed. [18]

Changes later this week

• You can move files from your wiki to Wikimedia Commons and keep the file history with the new FileExporter. It will be a beta feature on all wikis from 16 January. If you want to test it you activate it and check your wiki's configuration file.
• Users who could cause more damage to the wikis if someone took over their account have to have more secure passwords. This includes administrators and other user groups. They can't use passwords that are in a list of common passwords. Accounts with common passwords are easy to take over. The list of common passwords was made longer a few weeks ago and has a different error message. Some user groups have been added to those who can't use common passwords. This is to protect all accounts with user rights that could cause damage. [19]
• The AbuseFilter variable minor_edit has been removed. It was deprecated in 2016. Now you can't use it. You can fix the filters using it. You can find them if you use the search bar on Special:AbuseFilter.
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from January 15 17:55, 14. január 2019 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-04

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Tech News

• Some people did not get last week's issue of Tech News. This was because of a problem with MassMessage. If you did not get last week's issue, you can read it on Meta. [20]

Recent changes

• The content translation tool can now use version 2 as the default version for users who turned on the beta feature. For example it adds the tracking category Stránky s nekontrolovanými překlady to translations that might have used machine translations without fixing the problems. This is so others can find them. You can find this category in Special:TrackingCategories on Wikipedias.
• https://mediawiki2latex-large.wmflabs.org can now convert collects of up to 800 pages to PDF, EPUB or ODT. Previously this was 200 pages.

Problems

• When a template was edited with the visual editor, it would sometimes put all information on one line. This makes it difficult to read for editors who use the wikitext editor. It also makes it more difficult to see what happened in a diff. This problem affected edits made between 8 and 17 January and is now fixed. [21]
• MassMessage is used to post a message to many pages. It has not been working reliably. Some messages have not been posted to everyone. [22][23]
• Because of a database problem that had to be fixed immediately you could not edit most wikis for a couple of minutes on 17 January (UTC). This has now been fixed. [24]

Changes later this week

• You will be able to use template styles in the Module namespace. [25]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 22 January. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 23 January. It will be on all wikis from 24 January (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 23 January at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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20:33, 21. január 2019 (UTC)

Wikidáta pre súradnice do ib

Ahojte! Napadá mi či nepreprogramovať geografické infoboxy, aby ťahali súradnice z Wikidát. Chýbajú pri mestách, univerzitách atď, atď. :) --Jetam2 (diskusia) 19:24, 22. január 2019 (UTC)

Prekladač

No, musím po vyskúšaní s ľútosťou konštatovať, že zabudovaný prekladač vo wiki je IMHO prakticky k ničomu, s výnimkou toho ak človek neprekladá z češtiny do slovenčiny. Je jednoduchšie urobiť Ctrl+C a Ctrl+V s následným postupným "ručným" prekladom a vedľa otvoreným Google translatorom či iným pomocníkom. Hlavne to fušuje aj do zdrojov, ktoré je v absolútnej väčšine lepšie nechať v originále. Takže u mňa zatiaľ skôr nie, aj keď to má určitý potenciál. Chce to však podstatne viac nastavení a momentálne skôr láka k nezmyselným strojovým prekladom. Používa to niekto na iný jazyk ako češtinu a je s ním spokojný? (A nemyslím na nejaké 4-vetové články, ale na "veľké texty".) Že by prípadne dal nejaké rady... Smrtihlav (diskusia) 21:25, 23. január 2019 (UTC)