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Zdravím komunitu. Plánujem napísať niekoľko článkov týkajúcich sa fonetiky, kde by boli charakterizované určité zvuky. Zišiel by sa k tomu aj infobox, ja však s ich tvorbou nemám žiadne skúsenosti. Vedel by niekto pomôcť? Tu je odkaz na daný infobox na anglickej Wikipédii en:Template:Infobox IPA. Radoslav Ivan (diskusia) 13:32, 9. júl 2018 (UTC)

@Radoslav Ivan: Ahoj, vytvoril som Template:Infobox IPA podla ceskeho cs:Template:Infobox - IPA. Snad aspon trosku pomoze. Ak by si chcel nieco upravit/doplnit, kludne sa ozvi. --Human. (diskusia) 01:20, 20. august 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-28

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• WebM video files have smaller file size but still be of the same quality. Creating WebM files will take longer time. [1]
• The new filters for edit review tools and interface for watchlists will leave beta. This was supposed to already have happened but was delayed. For most wikis this will happen on 9 July. For the rest it will happen on 16 July. [2]
• All wikis now use the Remex parsing library instead of Tidy. This could cause errors. You can help fix the errors. [3]

Problems

• When you rolled back an edit it could get both the Rollback and Undo tags. This has been fixed. [4]
• Rollbacks from autopatrolled users were not marked as patrolled. This has been fixed. [5]

Changes later this week

• When you edit a link in the visual editor there will be two separate buttons to change which page the link goes to (target) or its text (label). [6][7]
• On the mobile version you can find a link to an editor's contributions from their user page. Now this will work even if they haven't created a user page. [8]
• When you edit a discussion on the mobile version you sometimes get your signature automatically added. This will now not happen if you have already added a signature manually. This is to avoid double signatures. [9]
• Structured discussions toolbars will have more style options. [10]
• When you look at Wikimedia code in Gerrit there will be a new interface. It is on by default for new users. This is also true for developers. This is to make it easier to understand what is happening. [11]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 10 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 11 July. It will be on all wikis from 12 July (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 10 July at 18:30 (UTC). See how to join.
• You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 11 July at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• Today all administrators can edit CSS and JavaScript for the entire wiki. There will be a new user group for editing CSS and JavaScript. Administrators will no longer automatically be able to do this. This is because it is a security risk when all administrator accounts can edit JavaScript even if they never plan to or do not know how it works. You can read more. [12]
• Page previews will be on by default for new accounts. [13]

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23:10, 9. júl 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-29

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• You can now use global preferences on Wikimedia wikis. You can set them on the global preferences page. [14]
• You can now see a new log of pages being created at Special:Log/create. It includes pages which are later deleted. It is now available on all Wikimedia wikis except Commons and Wikidata. [15]
• You can see how many pageviews a wiki had from specific countries. The Wikistats2 maps have now been updated. [16]

Changes later this week

• Your watchlist will show changes from the last seven days instead of three. If you have already set a length preference it will not change. [17]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from July 17. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from July 18. It will be on all wikis from July 19 (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on July 17 at 18:30 (UTC). See how to join.
• You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on July 18 at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• Some articles have messages to readers about problems with the article. For example that it does not cite sources or might not be neutral. Readers do not see these messages on the mobile version. The developers now want to show them. You can read more and leave feedback.
• You can use <inputbox> to create search boxes for specific pages. For example to search the archives of a community discussion page. Instead of prefix:Page name you will see a text that explains which pages are being searched. You can read more and leave feedback.

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16:01, 16. júl 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-30

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• When you log in to your account you can choose to keep being logged in. This checkbox now works better than before on the mobile version for users without JavaScript. [18]
• Wikis that use Citoid can automatically generate citations for Swedish news sites. This only works in the visual editor. This now works for Swedish public service radio. More will come. Others could use this to add news sites in other languages in the future. [19]
• Editors can do max 90 edits per minute. This is new since last month. This does not affect bots or administrators. [20]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 24 júla. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 25 júla. It will be on all wikis from 26 júla (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 25 júla at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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09:44, 24. júl 2018 (UTC)

Zamedzenie sledu úprav

Ahojte, nie je nejaká technická možnosť, ako zabrániť rozmáhajúcemu sa nešváru s takmer panickým ukladaním úprav každú minútu? Vkladanie šablóny Zobraz náhľad zjavne nefunguje. Tak som premýšľal, či nie je možné nastaviť nejaké obmedzenie pri výskyte sledu niekoľkých úprav za sebou, napríklad neumožniť počas piatich minút uložiť viac ako dve úpravy v článku. Som úplný laik v technických tajomstvách wiki, tak ak je môj nápad úplná hlúposť, prepáčte.--JanoB (diskusia) 18:15, 25. júl 2018 (UTC)

@JanoB: Zakladal som na to trhrottlovacie filtre (#25, #26, #31, #32, #33 s hláškou [21]). Keď si pozrieš zásahy [22], tak vidno, že fungujú, akurát takto postihnutí dotyční majú aj toto úplne na saláme, len klikajú, čo to dá a keď hitnú už ten blokovací, tak proste klikajú ďalej a čakajú, kedy to prejde... :)

Tzn asi to len sledovať a po upozornení za to v prípade pokračovania blokovať (10 min, 2h, 1 deň, ...). --Teslaton (diskusia) 18:30, 25. júl 2018 (UTC)

Ach jaj. :-( --JanoB (diskusia) 18:33, 25. júl 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-31

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• The design on Special:Log has changed. It will change again soon. Developers are working on fixing problems. [23]

Problems

• Deployment of 1.32.0-wmf.13 has been partially delayed. All deployments have been resumed and successfully done after bug fixes. [24][25]
• Deployment of 1.32.0-wmf.14 has been partially delayed. [26][27]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 31 júla. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 1 augusta. It will be on all wikis from 2 augusta (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 31 júla at 18:30 (UTC). See how to join.
• You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 1 augusta at 15:00 (UTC) as well as at 23:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• After a community discussion, a new group for users will be created. "Interface administrators" will be the only users allowed to edit interface pages like MediaWiki:Common.css or MediaWiki:Common.js. This is done to avoid technical issues and improve security. That change will be effective by the end of August 2018.

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14:05, 30. júl 2018 (UTC)

Všetky súradnice

Ahoj! Vkladanie {{Všetky súradnice}} pomáha aj objavovaniu chýb. Všimol som si, že súradnice pre Bazilika Panny Márie na oltári nebies ukazujú na mape zo šablóny do mora pri Afrike. Nie je to krížením dvoch súradníc z Wikidát?--Jetam2 (diskusia) 14:54, 30. júl 2018 (UTC)

Položka mala na WD zadané dve hodnoty súradníc (okrem baziliky tam bolo opolohované aj blízke parkovisko), šablóna počíta len s jednou (a „more pri Afrike“ boli súradnice [0°; 0°] na priesečníku rovníka a nultého poludníka [28]). --Teslaton (diskusia) 15:19, 30. júl 2018 (UTC)

Tak mi napadá či by nebolo lepšie zmeniť šablónu. Máme tu ďalšieho kandidáta: Q1354667. Ako sa rozhodneš ktoré súradnice vyhodiť?--Jetam2 (diskusia) 15:50, 30. júl 2018 (UTC)

Aj na WD je to v týchto prípadoch označené výkričníkom s tým, že tam bez ďalšieho vymedzenia patrí len jediná hodnota, takže riešenie tam je v poriadku. Čo sa týka vyhodenia, obe si pozriem a zvyčajne je zrejmé, ktorá je vhodnejšia (výnimkou by mohol byť offset mapových podkladov, tak veľký ako boli vzdialené tieto body je ale výnimočný a keď to ale pozrieš oproti viacerým, je veľká šanca, že sa trafíš). --Teslaton (diskusia) 15:58, 30. júl 2018 (UTC)

Okay, díky.--Jetam2 (diskusia) 16:40, 30. júl 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-32

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• Special:NewPages now has the OOUI look. [29]

Problems

• The MediaWiki version that was released two weeks ago was late to some Wikimedia wikis. This was because of bugs. It was on all wikis 30 July. [30][31]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 7 August. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 8 August. It will be on all wikis from 9 August.

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 7 August at 18:30 (UTC). See how to join.
• You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 8 August at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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19:39, 6. august 2018 (UTC)

Enabling a helpful feature for Template editors

Hello.

The team working on TemplateStyles at the Wikimedia Foundation would like to enable TemplateStyles on this wiki.

TemplateStyles is a feature to allow non-administrators to write and manage CSS styles for templates. It allows contributors who edit templates to separate content and presentation. A good web practice that makes it easier to manage the layout of templates. If you don't edit templates, this will not have any impact on your contributions.

TemplateStyles is useful for a few reasons.

• It makes it possible for templates to work better on mobile.
• It cuts out confusion on where to apply CSS rules.
• Editing CSS is currently limited to administrators, which is a major barrier to participation.
• All stylesheets must be loaded on all pages (whether they actually use the page or not), which wastes bandwidth and makes debugging style rules more difficult.

You can learn more about TemplateStyles on MediaWiki.org. Technical documentation is also available.

This is an optional feature and no one must use it, but template contributors are encouraged to do so! Please discuss and let us know if there are any concerns. If there are no concerns we will proceed to deploy the feature on the 9th of August.

Thank you.

CKoerner (WMF) (talk) 21:28, 6. august 2018 (UTC)

Kategórie Osobnosti z ...

Ahojte! Už dávnejšie premýšlam nad zaradením kategórie Osobnosti z ... v článkoch o ľuďoch. IMHO by bolo lepšie neradiť ju na koniec ako je tu zvykom, ale hneď za dátumy narodenia. Argumenty pre:

1. Chronologické zaradenie
2. "Naturálie" by zostali spolu dátum narodenia a miesto narodenia (tým de facto kategória je)
3. Použitie na konci "zoznamu" kategórií znemožňuje, resp. znevýhodňuje použitie HotCat pri ľuďoch. K zmene rodiska neprichádza, ale kategórie pridávať treba (človek naberie novú funkciu, pôsobisko, stranu atď).

Aké sú názory?--Jetam2 (diskusia) 12:27, 9. august 2018 (UTC)

Mne sa to pozdáva, základné bibliografické kategórie by mali byť prvé. Podľa mňa by usporiadanie týchto kategórií malo byť nasledovné:

[Narodenia v RRRR] [Narodenia DD. mesiaca] [Úmrtia v RRRR] [Úmrtia DD. mesiaca] [Osobnosť z XY]

Dôvodom je hlavne fakt, že pri viacerých osobnostiach máme len roky. Takto tiež najprv nasleduje všeobecnejší údaj (rok).--Lišiak (diskusia) 13:12, 9. august 2018 (UTC)

Pôvodne myslím bývali na konci všetky kat. ohľadom narodenia/úmrtia (tzn. zoznam kat. štandardne začínal profesiami), presun na začiatok bol daný presunom kategorizácie do šablón dnv/dúv. Čo sa týka Osobností z, nemám s tým zásadný problém, bude to ale odsúvať profesnú kategorizáciu znova nižšie. Čo sa týka HotCat, pohodlie by nemal byť primárny dôvod na takéto zmeny (a použiť sa stále dá, len treba najprv kliknúť na +⁺ ako keby som išiel pridávať viacero kat. a doplnenú kat. pred finálnym uložením čl. presunúť na správne miesto (väčšinou tam aj tak je čo ďalšie upraviť). --Teslaton (diskusia) 13:36, 9. august 2018 (UTC)

Pohodlie by nemalo byť hlavný dôvod, to je fakt. Dá sa zaplusmínusovať, ale to už je potom lepšie HotCat nepoužívať a poradie meniť ručne. Aspoň mne to vychádza na menej roboty a času. Čo je teda najdôležitejšia kategória? Profesia?--Jetam2 (diskusia) 10:32, 10. august 2018 (UTC)

Je jedno, ktoré sú ev. „najdôležitejšie“, pretože momentálne musia byť technicky prvé tie s dňami/rokmi narodenia/úmrtia. --Teslaton (diskusia) 11:02, 10. august 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-33

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• CSS in templates can now be stored in a separate page on all wikis. This is called TemplateStyles. This is to make it easier to edit how templates look. [32]

Changes later this week

• There is no new MediaWiki version this week.

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 14 August at 18:30 (UTC). See how to join.
• You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 15 August at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• The developers are planning more ways to block users. This could be blocking someone from just a page or a namespace. You can read more. You can leave feedback on the talk page. [33]

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17:53, 13. august 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-34

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 21 August. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 22 August. It will be on all wikis from 23 August (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 22 August at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• The 2018 Community Wishlist Survey begins on 29 October. The survey decides what the Community Tech team will work on. You can post proposals from 29 October to 11 November. You can vote on proposals from 16 November to 30 November.
• Legacy JavaScript global variables have been deprecated for seven years. They will soon be removed from all wikis. Gadgets and scripts that use them will stop working. You can test your community's gadgets on "group0" wikis. For example Test Wikipedia or mediawiki.org. The legacy JavaScript global variables are already disabled there. You can read the migration guide to fix old scripts. [34]

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16:46, 20. august 2018 (UTC)